I do not comment on political topics and this post isn't one, it relates more to the human side effects of a political situation.
The current situation is boiling and patriotism is the new hot topic of the week. Amazing how diverse hot topics we have in comparison to our small population and relatively minor accomplishments.
Though the treason accusations are being thrown like there is no tomorrow and regardless of the validations and reasons for such demeaning acts, many actions have been suggested to set an example for whomever steps on our unity. Among those actions, is the demand to drop the Kuwaiti nationality from the infamous MPs.
We have all the right to be patriots, to protect years of accumulated gains and to prevent anything that may penetrate our united country. But as per Kuwaiti Nationality law, children are being granted the Kuwaiti nationality by inheritance from their father. So if we ask the government to drop Kuwaiti nationalities then we are actually taking away their kids nationality and producing a new breed of non Kuwaitis which had nothing to do with their parents acts. I've skimmed the newspapers and failed to notice anything related to the consequences of any of the suggested demands.
I know the situation is severe but don’t those kids deserve a pause to think about them and to protect them and their rights from the consequences of such demands. We are bursting and it seems that we are growing less and less rational lately. Are we allowed to force them to seek a new home, a new identity and a new nationality when the only place they know is Kuwait?
We inherit the genes, the debts and the family name, but we do not inherit the consequences of our parents’ actions and their believes. I know some may argue that those seeds are corrupted and shall result with nothing but corrupted plants. And those kids are probably brain washed and totally soaked with their parents’ thoughts and ideologies. But are we allowed to play God and destroy their lives? to leave them wandering with no future and no purpose?
I couldn’t care less for the MPs as they shall reap what they sow, but if we are asking to drop the Kuwaiti nationality from them for the best interest of our country then let us take the necessary lawful preventions for the sake of those innocent kids who are blamed for nothing but being born with such parents.
ur totally rite.
ReplyDeletei hate politics, but i am with freedom of choice.
the choice to have co ed schools the choice to mourn , the choice to dress the way u like.
i think its going to die down soon enough
I agree, the kids cannot be punished for their fathers' stupid beliefs. I say, just drop their nationalities and keep their kids'. :)
ReplyDeleteits not a punishment really, coz they both obviously care more about the jabriya hijacker than Kuwait. so why give them the privilege?
it's just talks, I don't think they'll drop their nationalities. they will probably be forced to leave the Parliament and we'll get prosecuted.
ReplyDeleteI agree but i don't think they'll take their nationalities.
ReplyDeleteEshda3wa -
So if a man kills your brother and a fan holds a press conference mourning your brother's killer recent death then you'd be fine with that because that's freedom ?
grey shorts
ReplyDeletei will definitely NOT be fine with it, ra7 aseb oo atef oo ad3i.
But can i stop it?
etha nass besawoon 3aza eb baithum can u walk in and say NO.
Some one related to me was shot dead by a 20 year old on a dare, the guy was prosecuted and now will hang. exactly like he deserves.
but does that mean i can stop his family from mourning him?
I don't see a problem with taking away someone's nationality but keeping his/her children's nationality. BUT I believe in the rule of law and not mob rule. Personally, I would love it if anyone who supports ANY country aside from Kuwait or ANY person who is against Kuwait to have their nationality revoked and to have them thrown at the border of whatever hell hole they came from. But that's why they don't let ME decide on the punishment and we have courts, lawyers, judges and an obligation to the RULE OF LAW because that's the kind of modern state we live in and that's the kind of justice that we should aspire to uphold.
ReplyDeleteWhat I fear with regards to this issue is a sort of witch hunt style hysteria whereby anyone with a personal agenda can accuse someone else of treason or supporting anti-Kuwait policy and find a way to get his/her nationality revoked. It's a huge punishment so there better be checks and balances before it's executed.
eshda3wa, we are not dealing with some social tragedy here. we are talking about terrorism, betraying your own country and mourning a heartless killers. who killed our own sons. there's no freedom in that. you do not put your country's unity at risk only because you are brainless Hezbollah bitch!!
ReplyDeleteBut again, you have to be loyal to this country to understand how much damage did these Parliament members cause to Kuwait. and what a huge mistake it was.
If you're going to say "there's no proof that Imad did what he did" just having this tiny suspicion that he did, is a good enough reason for not mourning that terrorists.
Touche, sorry for the language and replying other comments.
Touche..
ReplyDeleteright topic.. wrong time :)
I just hope we get on the right track..these issues are just ruining the country!
ReplyDeletegood to see ur bak in business touche; or so i wud like to bileev..
ReplyDeleteRegardless of the topics that you write about. I absolutely enjoy reading your posts because of your excellent command of the English language.
ReplyDeleteummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
ReplyDeletevery sensitive matter.
i wont comment on our situation i will only give an example, from another not so perfect but democratic country where they also have the freedom of speech...
in the US we all see how they freely can critisize eachother their country their politics politicians and even their president (red line here coz this right we dont have) anyways .. after sep.11 many ppl hated bin ladin for what he did .. americans and non .. but after research, many ppl thinkers, politcians and professors ended up writing ENTIRE books bout him, some of the books were even admiring him! now here were talking about a PROVEN guilty murderer terrorist .. who i repeat been PROVEN to be guilty. . but because they have freedom of speech .. no one did anything .. yes they got hate mail and yes some of them were questioned .. and intervied and attacked .. which again is a right ppl have .. but no one stripped them from their nationalities or their rights .. because they have democracy because they have a court of law and because they have a constitution that protects its ppl.
thats all i have to say.
>> eshda3wa:
ReplyDeleteFreedom is becoming more controversial and more obscure. It’s being debated excessively to the point that we lost track of what it might be legible to be labeled as freedom.
>> Yousef:
I don’t want to immerse myself into political argument that shall result nothing but conflicted opinions, beside it is not my cup of tea.
Punishment or not, passed or not, the only thing that bothered me is that people tended to act repulsively and driven by their emotions while disarming their rationality. I can understand the outburst but still couldn’t someone think of the consequences of any of those suggestions.
They betrayed their oath to seek the betterment of Kuwait and to work for the country’s sake, they slammed away peoples feelings and stubbornly stood by their believes for whatever agenda they are promoting and acting upon, they didn’t care about the people the country and their families.
Can you imagine the humiliation that their families are facing now? The shame to be attached to such homes? The resentment of the people? It is not a privilege to think about what they absentmindedly have neglected. It’s the kids right to have such privilege.
>> Noufa:
Well, in the last couple of years things have been changing rapidly and unpredictably. Yes many strings are being pulled and it can end abruptly just as it has started.
>> Grey Shorts:
Too many variables in the equation and the outcome is unpredictable.
>> 7zaya:
Exactly, the punishments shall be solely carried upon those who are prosecuted and committed with the treason after thorough investigations and undeniable evidences.
You’ve raised an interesting point, indeed some may find it the perfect time and accusation to take vengeance of enemies. Chaos may result from such circumstances if not dealt with them wisely. The MPs have already led the propaganda of promoting anti-individual religion and have shifted the spot lights from them towards religion conflict.
>> Noufa:
You’re most welcome in voicing your opinion.
It seems that the comments have shifted towards political aspects of it and I’m guilty as charged with my own. It gets too hard to isolate yourself from your emotions and totally stick to the point when something pinches a nerve. I totally understand.
>> Sloth:
I’ve been reluctant in provoking the topic and tried to choose the right time (Independence Day).
It might be the wrong time.
>> Amu:
Amen
>> Lone Ranger’ess:
I haven’t been away, unless you meant my scarce posts which I think is pretty much predictable by now when looking at the archive.
Thank you :)
>> FourMe:
Thank you, that’s very kind of you.
>> No3ik:
Thank you for your input.
Very interesting and extremely controversial, I wonder what would be the case if some writers ended up with books praising Hitler. I know it’s totally irrelevant and silly to compare the both but I’m merely up scaling the discussion as with years of civilized life and democratic laws our MP’s incident shall be taking lightly and shall be seen absurd whilst I had to throw an extreme case to seem relevant to the density of their democratic and constitutional experience. It’s a matter of relativity when it comes to national issues.
As a matter of a fact, I think I’ve drifted to the political side of the aspect and said my peace. I needed to clarify a single point which is the social and human impacts towards the kids and families of any action shall be taken against those who shall be prosecuted and proven guilty of charge.
as a matter of fact ..
ReplyDeletethere are books that admire hitler ..
he even have fans..!
like i said variety of opinions and different views accur everywhere in the world .. but here in kuwait we simply failed to deal with them in the right way.
and when i say right way i mean in the way with the least damage possible.
i totally dont know what u guys are talking about : )my policy in politics: ignorance is bliss! :P but i agree with what you said 100%, why should kids pay for their parents mistakes.
ReplyDeleteFrom both sides, everybody helped to start the problem, believe me..if they wanted really to finish it they would do it so fast, it will be like any normal little news column in any newspaper, you read it, and you forget it the next day...
ReplyDeleteSomebody's working hard, from "both sides" , to start a political war, and divide the country..
They knew where it was going to happen, and which 7saineyya, and what time..they could`ve stopped it if they wanted to, but instead..their was police patrol cars and individuals, guarding the site!! now what do you call that?
Now when somebody announced their loyalty to taliban, alqaeda and mourn mossab elzarqawy..did they got arrested or questioned? I think they still have their nationality, and they will be running for the next elections maybe!!?
Its not like Im with them or against them, whether taliban, alqaeda or 7izb allah!! They are all the same to me..they started in liberating their country, then thy just overgrew an extra ball in their ego, so they want to rule the world!! or at least middle east..
They have the power to arrest every body that was there, no matter what their political or social position, throw them in jail, interogate them..insult them, strip them from their immunity and nationality, and God knows what more they are going to do!! But they cant stop somthing going to happen in a certain time and place..come on, since when has kuwait started to have prisoners of opinion!!??
I dont agree with either side of the problem, they are tearing up our country, and our future is just getting dimmer and darker..
this is the first time i read something political and attract me .. i like the most that u thought of the kids .. no one care or think what will happen to them !!
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with u .. to be honest with u .. i was convinced the they shuld take out nationalty of them , i didn`t knew that they will take it also from their kids !!
now this is a problem
>> No3ik:
ReplyDelete“like i said variety of opinions and different views occur everywhere in the world .. but here in Kuwait we simply failed to deal with them in the right way.”
Touché to you
>> Vixen:
You grasped it accurately, the whole thing is not to transit blame and punishment for the mere blood connections.
>> Kella Met2akher:
Congrats for the new baby, still waiting for the big news and hoping everything went gently :)
Though you are drifting me towards politics, I shall endeavor just a little bit, they misdealt with the whole situation and things could’ve been solved discretely and abruptly while preventing the propaganda and the media feast.
All parties are to blamed for whatever catastrophic outcomes might occur.
>> Feelings Talk:
Thank you for your compliment.
It is a problem if we don't take the needed precautions not for this particular incident but for any situation when such action is required.
I read the whole constitution b4, I got a copy from a patriotic exhibit a long time ago. It is interesting that it seems most people didn't really read whats in there.
ReplyDeleteOne of the articles deals with thsi specific issue, about the nationality. No one, absolutely no one has the right to either withdraw a Kuwaiti's nationality nor is exile (forcing a Kuwaiti to live away from Kuwait) an option. The government doesn't even have this power yet no one really respects the constitution, they claim they do but they like to pick n choose.
these incidents show people's loyalties. which is what nationality is all about. being loyal to your nation and country men.
ReplyDeleteAlmost all labels of loyalty have severe punishment for reversing your loyalty.
And if you want to punish someone for doing something bad, you don't reconsider simply because he has children to feed. the offender should have thought of his children beforehand. But you're right, the sins of our fathers don't become our sins. but they stay as the sins of our fathers I think.
No3ik: I just noticed your comment, isn't it a shame that basic rights like free speech are not even recognized in this country?
ReplyDeleteTouche, this article is as pertinent today as it was a month ago. It is brilliant, and it started a thoughtful conversation, most of which contained pertinent points.
ReplyDeleteI think you should take the points you made on my election fever post, and turn them into a post here. They deserve attention - the vote buying procedures.
Have you ever considered writing political commentary for one of the newspapers? You have a way of hitting a topic on the most pertinent point.
(Didn't give me enough space to finish!)
ReplyDeleteYou have a way of raising consciousness, and inspiring discussion without people getting out of control. It is a gift. What are you going to do with it?
;-)
i agree. I'm not FOR dropping the nationalities.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm probably FOR getting them deported. Send them to the countries that they've been so blatantly following.
I'd probably send the kids with them. They'll probably want revenge.
But seriously, I would deport. definitely.
Kaos hit the baking oven. Cheers..
ReplyDeleteThere is no point in this post nor of the happenings about withdrawing nationality.
The only insight this post throws light on is.. that there is senseless crap making too much noise.
Rest of the analysis is not practical.
~ Soul
>> Kaos:
ReplyDeleteInteresting fact about the constitution, maybe you can recall the specific article that states that? Does it apply for all kinds of Nationality categories? Or the restriction is only for first article citizens?
Maybe the government doesn’t have the right, but what about the prince? Does he hold the right to revoke the nationality from a Kuwaiti Citizen?
It makes you think about how selective people are when it comes to justify their needs. So based on what you’ve mentioned; an amendment had to take place in order to peruse such motion to revoke the nationalities.
Typical Kuwait!!
>> Falantan:
I agree, nothing goes unpaid and people should suffer the consequences for their actions.
But I think it’s a misconception of my post, I wasn’t discussing the validity of revoking the nationality but merely saying if such motion is meant to pass we should reconsider the children resulting status and prevent them from suffering the unknown. By that I’m not saying that the parents sins should go unpaid. If they are sentenced and their nationalities gets revoked for grand treason then we should not be affiliate their kids, it's a human perspective rather than a political one.
>> Intl Xpatr:
Such words coming from you are stars on my chest.
Nothing that I can do, I enjoy speaking out my mind and exchanging ideas with people, writing columns is a commitment I know that I’m not capable to handle nor I fancy.
I don't think I'm cut for this sort of things.
>> This Lady:
I'm not considering the reasonable punishment for such act, if they fail to exonerate themselves.
They should be accused, interrogated, trialled and then if they found to be guilty, let the justice determine the proper sentence.
We should let justice takes control on the matter and leave our emotions at the door. We are emotional specially when it comes to patriotism and loyalty. The emotional rampage shall cloud our sense from the right judgment and consequences may pass unnoticed.
>> Soul:
"this post throws light on is.. that there is senseless crap making too much noise", my sentiment exactly.
I'm glad that you managed to grasp the essence of the post.
I'm baffled about "impractical analysis", what part exactly of not descending the punishment you find it impractical?
P.S.
I'm sorry if you feel that it is pointless.
When the nationality cannot to taken AWAY from anyone.. there is no point discussing the fate of the children based on nationality issues of the parents..
ReplyDeleteYour line...
"I know the situation is severe but don’t those kids deserve a pause to think about them and to protect them and their rights from the consequences of such demands."
Woo.. am i getting obnoxious here..!!
Another line of yours..
"Are we allowed to force them to seek a new home, a new identity and a new nationality when the only place they know is Kuwait?"
I am really getting pissed of by newspaper type writing of Muna Al Fuzai's column in Kuwait Times.
I thought we can get to the point without exploiting the "IF" usage too much eh !
Oh! by all the above mentioned heavenly points.. i pronounce your previous post and the IF analysis.. NOT practical..
You may rant now ! Cheers..
~ Soul
When the nationality cannot to taken AWAY from anyone.. there is no point discussing the fate of the children based on nationality issues of the parents..
ReplyDeleteYour line...
"I know the situation is severe but don’t those kids deserve a pause to think about them and to protect them and their rights from the consequences of such demands."
Woo.. am i getting obnoxious here..!!
Another line of yours..
"Are we allowed to force them to seek a new home, a new identity and a new nationality when the only place they know is Kuwait?"
I am really getting pissed of by newspaper type writing of Muna Al Fuzai's column in Kuwait Times.
I thought we can get to the point without exploiting the "IF" usage too much eh !
Oh! by all the above mentioned heavenly points.. i pronounce your previous post and the IF analysis.. NOT practical..
You may rant now ! Cheers..
~ Soul
>> Soul:
ReplyDeleteYou are right about the “IF” analysis and it’s nice that you’ve pointed it out as I thought readers might not notice it :)
But consider the bigger picture; it’s a social behavior to tend into throwing accusations and blaming anyone for any reason. And society ignorantly transfers the guilt to siblings and kids no matter how inappropriate it might be.